Gonzaga
So, the Gonzaga tournament was enjoyable, busy and hectic, but enjoyable. The aftermath was even more fun. Back drop, Gonzaga broke debate down to two divisions, instead of the standard 3 or 4. Pretty sure Glen, the tournament director, did it to increase his chances of adding the T.O.C. (tournament of champions) bid at Semifinals instead of Finals. So....for those of you not associated with debate, even more backstory: The tournament of Champions is considered more prestigious than Nationals. You qualify by kicking ass at massive tournaments where the competition is normally the best. The bigger and better the tournament, atleast in the varsity division, the earlier a team can win a T.O.C. bid. So, by forcing all the JV teams to compete at Varsity, which sucks for JV kids, it increases the team total in Varsity, in this case to about 80 teams, so he was probably trying to get the TOC bid earlier into his tournament, which would probably increase the number of teams that go, and thus the money his program gets. Debate tournaments earn money for whatever team hosts it, fun times. This is at Gonzaga University, by the by.
A tiny bit more backstory: Washington has this rule that you can not start a debate round after 9 pm, it was to make it so tournaments stopped running until midnight, etc.
So, Gonzaga, because they had so many teams, had to have more rounds than normal, so that a reasonable number of teams could make it into the "playoff" type of rounds, thats what I'll call them, or outrounds, as we know them as. Actually, I will refer to them as outrounds, fuck you non-debaters, ask if you need clarification.
So, anywho, this tournament went way past 9, I would assume, as I am not sure, that the last round started at about 11, maybe a little after, so, quite a bit after 9. Now, the WIAA, or Washington Interscholastic Activities Association, or something like that, it's like the NCAA of Washington high School stuff, would never know that the tournament broke the rules, if it weren't for someone complaining. And someone indeed complained, and of all people, it was the Gonzaga Prep coach. Did you see that, Gonzaga Prep bitched about Gonzaga University, how wacky is that.
Now, only two teams from Washington state were even in the tournament at that point, Lewis and Clark High School, they had one LD-er, and St. George's had one CX team. The St. George's coach may not have known about the rule, and the LC coach is an idiot, so who knows. And the tournament director's, Glen, official ruling on the rule, as I heard him say, was "Fuck it." He's a cool guy, though. And for a tournament of that size to just stop the tournament and make teams still in it come back the next day, Sunday, would be ridiculous, especially if you consider that a team from Wisconsin was there, and a ton of Montana and Idaho teams as well, and some from Oregon and California, its a huge tournament, 50 high schools or so.
Wow, I just got sidetracked for awhile, and I may leave some stuff out or repeat myself, someone logical would say I should just read what I've written so far, and adjust, but to you, I say "Go fuck yourself, I don't want to read what I've written, I know the story."
I digress, the tournament ran late, the WIAA found out, shit got serious.
Here were the possible implications of the rule breaking:
Lewis and Clark High School and St. George's could be sanctioned as a school, and theoretically not be allowed to compete in anything, athletically or whatever for a certain period of time, but for the WIAA to do that would be insane.
The two schools could be forced to fire their coaches, again, not likely.
The two programs could not be allowed at state, I don't know about the likelihood of that.
Washington teams could not compete at Gonzaga the next year or whatever, don't know about the likelihood of that either.
Or, everyone could get a strict warning, that seemed the most likely. in the end, absolutely nothing happened, I think, maybe a warning was issued, I don't know. I'm a GSL debate insider, but not that far inside.
As for why the G-Prep coach would complain, there's two reasons we came up with. One, he's a dick and stickler for the rules, and felt he needed to be it made known, regardless of the fact tht his team wasn't even in the tournament by that point. Or two, he wanted to try to screw Lewis and Clark so his team stood a better shot. oh, and there's a third reason, i forgot, I could delete, but screw that, i don't go back for typos, why would I for this. At one point in the tournament a Gonzaga Prep judge failed to turn in his ballot for about an hour. it delayed the entire tournament, one of the reasons it was so late. When people tried to track down the judgem, they couldn't, so they went to G-Preps team and asked, and no one knew, so they asked where the G-Prep coach was and no one knew. So G-Prep's team was unsupervised for awhile, a big no-o as far as the WIAA is concerned, and it is possible that the G-Prep coach complained to cover his own ass, and deflect the possible report of him not being there. But if you knew Glen, you would know that he doesn't give a fuck, and complaining about him is the easiest way, I assume, to get on his badside and have him bitch about you.
That's my story about Gonzaga.
A tiny bit more backstory: Washington has this rule that you can not start a debate round after 9 pm, it was to make it so tournaments stopped running until midnight, etc.
So, Gonzaga, because they had so many teams, had to have more rounds than normal, so that a reasonable number of teams could make it into the "playoff" type of rounds, thats what I'll call them, or outrounds, as we know them as. Actually, I will refer to them as outrounds, fuck you non-debaters, ask if you need clarification.
So, anywho, this tournament went way past 9, I would assume, as I am not sure, that the last round started at about 11, maybe a little after, so, quite a bit after 9. Now, the WIAA, or Washington Interscholastic Activities Association, or something like that, it's like the NCAA of Washington high School stuff, would never know that the tournament broke the rules, if it weren't for someone complaining. And someone indeed complained, and of all people, it was the Gonzaga Prep coach. Did you see that, Gonzaga Prep bitched about Gonzaga University, how wacky is that.
Now, only two teams from Washington state were even in the tournament at that point, Lewis and Clark High School, they had one LD-er, and St. George's had one CX team. The St. George's coach may not have known about the rule, and the LC coach is an idiot, so who knows. And the tournament director's, Glen, official ruling on the rule, as I heard him say, was "Fuck it." He's a cool guy, though. And for a tournament of that size to just stop the tournament and make teams still in it come back the next day, Sunday, would be ridiculous, especially if you consider that a team from Wisconsin was there, and a ton of Montana and Idaho teams as well, and some from Oregon and California, its a huge tournament, 50 high schools or so.
Wow, I just got sidetracked for awhile, and I may leave some stuff out or repeat myself, someone logical would say I should just read what I've written so far, and adjust, but to you, I say "Go fuck yourself, I don't want to read what I've written, I know the story."
I digress, the tournament ran late, the WIAA found out, shit got serious.
Here were the possible implications of the rule breaking:
Lewis and Clark High School and St. George's could be sanctioned as a school, and theoretically not be allowed to compete in anything, athletically or whatever for a certain period of time, but for the WIAA to do that would be insane.
The two schools could be forced to fire their coaches, again, not likely.
The two programs could not be allowed at state, I don't know about the likelihood of that.
Washington teams could not compete at Gonzaga the next year or whatever, don't know about the likelihood of that either.
Or, everyone could get a strict warning, that seemed the most likely. in the end, absolutely nothing happened, I think, maybe a warning was issued, I don't know. I'm a GSL debate insider, but not that far inside.
As for why the G-Prep coach would complain, there's two reasons we came up with. One, he's a dick and stickler for the rules, and felt he needed to be it made known, regardless of the fact tht his team wasn't even in the tournament by that point. Or two, he wanted to try to screw Lewis and Clark so his team stood a better shot. oh, and there's a third reason, i forgot, I could delete, but screw that, i don't go back for typos, why would I for this. At one point in the tournament a Gonzaga Prep judge failed to turn in his ballot for about an hour. it delayed the entire tournament, one of the reasons it was so late. When people tried to track down the judgem, they couldn't, so they went to G-Preps team and asked, and no one knew, so they asked where the G-Prep coach was and no one knew. So G-Prep's team was unsupervised for awhile, a big no-o as far as the WIAA is concerned, and it is possible that the G-Prep coach complained to cover his own ass, and deflect the possible report of him not being there. But if you knew Glen, you would know that he doesn't give a fuck, and complaining about him is the easiest way, I assume, to get on his badside and have him bitch about you.
That's my story about Gonzaga.
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